Hibernia courses
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Topic created by scottthatcher on Fri Jun 4, 2010 at 5:39 amI would welcome thoughts on this ... not that I have much time to change the courses. I have made two courses for Hibernia on the 13th that cross the Brandywine. Green crosses at a horse trail crossing that is fairly shallow area (< 1 foot) assuming no storms the day before. Red crosses a fast moving shallow (1 foot) but rocky part and also a narrow shallow area.
Although the Brandywine is mapped with a black line, I have seen other courses cross deeper or similar streams. Just thought I would give a twist to a map that becomes hard to introduce variation in course setting.
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Reply by wilburdeb on Fri Jun 4, 2010 at 8:26 amI think this is a great idea for the current weather conditions. Be sure to let all competitors know that they can ignore the black line bordering the creek in the area of the crossing. One bad thing, if we get a sudden deluge you might have to redo the courses or provide an alternate crossing area.
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Reply by Sandy on Fri Jun 4, 2010 at 10:26 amI agree. As long as competitors are told up front that 1) they will have to cross foot deep creeks and 2) that it is okay to do so even though it is marked as uncrossable, it's a great idea. If it's a really hot day, there will probably be many that are very thankful for the opportunity to get wet!
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Reply by Guy-O on Fri Jun 4, 2010 at 4:51 pm
This sounds risky. If I were the Event Director -- and not the Course Setter -- I would actively discourage such routings. The trouble that would be involved with changing the courses if there is/was a heavy rain would not be worthwhile. Even without a storm, that 1-foot of fast moving water with rocks sounds hazardous -- unless the rocks are large enough to provide for a higher, mostly dry crossing.
The recent ARDF Champs in Ohio had a stream crossing on the run-in to the finish, with depths up to my knees. The water was flowing at moderate speed, and it was refreshing due to temps in the high 80s. However, there was also a bridge nearby, so that if the water was high / fast, we could easily have been diverted to it.
BTW, except on Sprint (ISSOM) maps, the "uncrossable" black line is not a prohibition, but advisory information. -
Reply by edscott on Sat Jun 5, 2010 at 7:40 amI see nothing wrong with a shallow stream crossing especially in summer.
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Reply by BobGross on Sat Jun 5, 2010 at 9:25 amI've set courses in the past that used the crossing points. The maps I used back then have the black line broken at these points along the stream. Our maps are very detailed.
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Reply by Vadim on Sat Jun 5, 2010 at 9:57 amI would say it's just fine to cross the stream. Sure, if it rains before, it might be challenging. For Green/Red course runners it should not be a problem at all.
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Reply by Sswede on Sun Jun 6, 2010 at 6:52 amI'm already looking forward to the stream crossings.
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Reply by Trazy on Mon Jun 7, 2010 at 8:28 am
Recently the Susquehanna Stumble, we had to cross a river up to knee high to get to start and again to finish. It was fast moving water. Of course, everyone grumbled a big, but hey it was fun & not something I'll ever forget!!
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Reply by Trazy on Mon Jun 7, 2010 at 8:30 amRecently at the Susquehanna Stumble, which took place at McKeldin, we had to cross a wide river up to knee-high to get to the start & again to finish. Of course, most everyone grumbled a bit, but hey we all survived and we will never forget this one!
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Reply by scottthatcher on Mon Jun 7, 2010 at 11:07 amThanks for all the input! The courses are done and Green, Red, and even Yellow cross some portion of the Brandywine. There are obvious crossing legs and an optional (not recommended) crossing leg on Green and Red. Yellow is an easy three step and done but you have to go back also!
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Reply by yoyonateo on Mon Jun 7, 2010 at 9:49 pmSounds like there is going to be a boost of intensity at Hibernia this weekend!!!!
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Reply by CNYO-South on Mon Jun 7, 2010 at 10:29 pmFor a photo of a stream crossing at the QOC "A" Meet on Saturday, April 4, 1987, at Great Falls National Park in Virginia, see Notes from the Briar Patch, Vol. XI, No. 6, June 1987, p. 26.
The DVOA event with the most stream crossings was Ed Scott's "Warwick Water Festival" held on Sunday, July 8, 1990. Read the announcement in Notes from the Briar Patch, Vol. XIV, No. 2, June 1990, p. 8, and the article in Notes from the Briar Patch, Vol. XIV, No. 3, September 1990, pp. 14-15.
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Reply by sfmones on Tue Jun 8, 2010 at 1:58 pmAll this talk about creeks and streams and fording. Are you sure you don't have this confused with the canoe event? I hope we won't need a new working definition of "DNF" -- "did not float." Now, where did I put my snorkel ....
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Reply by Guy-O on Tue Jun 8, 2010 at 5:07 pm"Did not float" -- LOL!!!
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Reply by Orienteeringmom on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 1:16 pmIf you want to make sure you float at Nockamixon, I would strongly suggest that you do the canoe O before the the score O because once you are done the score O you will be full of holes and scratches from the very thick brush at Nockamixon. Let me tell you I know from experience, you will not want to do the score without leg protection. I tried it earlier this week like an idiot and truly paid the price. Why I thought I could hang streamers without proper O gear is beyond me. But I can tell you I won't do it again. I have set courses at Nockamixon many times and I really should have known better.
