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DVOA 50th Birthday event - Course ligibility on maps
  • Topic created by johncampbell on Mon Nov 6, 2017 at 4:03 pm
    John Campbell (johncampbell)
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    First O: 1969

    A great event and fun to have seen a lot of familar faces I hadn't seen in a while. I have one comment regarding the course printing on the maps. I realize I am getting old and the eyesite is not quite what it was just a few years ago. That said the courses this weekend were very hard to read on the maps, to the point we even had to have a copy of the Hawk Mountain map at the start highlighting the start triangle. I know there is a color specifically selected in order to address those who are color blind. That specify's the color, but it should have been a darker tint of the same color to make it legible on such a detailed map. I heard a number of people comment about this. I think this is an item that we need to review for the future.


  • Reply by Guy-O on Mon Nov 6, 2017 at 6:39 pm
    Guy Olsen (Guy-O)
    Num Posts: 265
    Primary Club: HVO
    Fav map: Spackman Creek
    First O: 1982
    I concur.

    It took several seconds to find the start triangle in all 3 races.
  • Reply by ErikEddy on Mon Nov 6, 2017 at 6:49 pm
    Erik Eddy (ErikEddy)
    Num Posts: 376
    Primary Club: DVOA
    Fav map: Mount Penn Antietam
    First O: 1998
    How would you fix that? Just using condes standard symbol. So if it's bad then Condes should fix it. Has that changed?
  • Reply by rpboehme on Mon Nov 6, 2017 at 7:02 pm
    Rich Boehme (rpboehme)
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    Fav map: Nolde
    First O: 2012
    Is there an option in Condes to "bold" an item much in the same way that a piece of text may be "bolded" in a conventional application?  Could this be, perhaps, set up in the options for Condes - Set lines to be 1.0 mm thick, 0.9 mm thick, and so on. 

    Just a thought,

  • Reply by EricW on Mon Nov 6, 2017 at 7:17 pm
    Eric Weyman (EricW)
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    I noticed and heard of some course printing shorcomings as well.
    As course consultant, I was at least partially responsible for the Hawk Mtn triangle situation, for which I would certainly like a "do-over".
    On that specific detail, I'll suggest that the source of the problem was case-specific, a shortage of white or light background colors at the Start location, a situation that I admittedly didn't notice in time.
    A slightly different shade or color might be worth considering, but I don't think that would make a significant difference in this case. Other options should have been tried first.

    There are other course printing issues on my meet discussion list, for which I believe there are also more conventional responses, before modifying our course printing specs., at least for the details I noticed.
    However, I'd prefer to address these issues off- line.
  • Reply by Steve on Tue Nov 7, 2017 at 9:39 am
    Steve Aronson (Steve)
    Num Posts: 263
    Primary Club: DVOA
    Fav map: Paradise Farm
    First O: 1993
    For what it is worth, Condes 9 does allow you to change the colors, but itis time consuming. Each circle and number must be done one at a time, and then the lines between must be done. Totally impratical. 
  • Reply by Sandy on Tue Nov 7, 2017 at 10:35 am
    Sandy Fillebrown (Sandy)
    Num Posts: 270
    Primary Club: DVOA
    Fav map: Hickory Run 1:15000
    First O: 1993
    It is possible to change the color and thickness of the lines, numbers and circles in Condes all at once under the Canvas tab.  You can also "white out" the areas around numbers, circles and lines.  The question is more whether this should be done or not.

    For example, for the Norristown sprints this summer, I outlined the circles and lines between controls in white since it was hard to see many of them given that the buildings were black.  (In a real sprint map they would be grey.)  I also frequently bold numbers and thicken control circles on my all control maps so that when I'm field checking my courses they're easier to see.

    So there are easy ways to affect these changes.  However, it is not clear to me when changes should be made and what those changes should be.  I concur with Eric that an off-line conversation about this is warranted.
  • Reply by edscott on Tue Nov 7, 2017 at 11:09 pm
    Ed Scott (edscott)
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    Primary Club: DVOA
    Fav map: Hickory Run 1:15000
    First O: 1983
    The courses on the Hawk Mountain maps are difficult for me to see  Are they the exact color specified?  Could it be closer to the brown used for contours?  Or maybe there is just so much red on the overprinted out of bounds areas that the courses don't jump out at me.  The other two maps are OK for my eyes so I suspect the Hawk Mountain courses just get lost in the maze of out of bounds areas.
  • Reply by Len on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 12:47 pm
    Len Policelli (Len)
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    Part of this may also be the printer it is being printed from. I printed the Egypt Mills maps myself and I know the colors (or tones of them) are relative to the printer I used. That may not have been an issue with the National event.
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